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Roberta Olenick's avatar

Thank you for this. That's what I thought too, a vacuous document with not much substance. If someone were to use this to decide where in the city they wanted to live (or move to to get away from all the new towers), there would be no guidance found here. This Plan entirely evades the whole point of zoning; zoning is necessary to let people decide what sort of neighbourhood they want to live in and with some assurance their neighbourhood would stay that way.

This document is so vague, even the maps contradict each other at least for my neighbourhood. I live within a block of Dunbar/Alma between Broadway and West 16th Avenue. The map on p. 39 shows that area as a neighbourhood center (I breathed a sigh of relief), while the map of p. 45 shows this same area as a Rapid Transit Area (not where I want to live).

All their aerial schematics of what each neighbourhood type will look like show a ton of green space in a three or four block area. We know that won't be left green, it'll be developed. To get that green space every few blocks, we'd have to demolish just about every existing building in the city!

This whole thing is just a license for city staff to put whatever they want wherever they want it. Very very dangerous!

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ROBERT HEYMAN's avatar

I read [most] of the Vancouver Plan and while I do NOT totally agree with you that their "big ideas" are not worthwhile (very confusing double negative but I could not come up with another way to express it), I DO agree that there is little to suggest that they will come to fruition. I do believe there is a way, but I do not see it in this plan. . My biggest take-away from this is more of the same. Transit nodes with buildings that nobody really wants to live in surrounded by areas that are a far cry from livable neighbourhoods.

I believe that your point about Paris and London is the essence of where we are going wrong in Vancouver. Those cities recognize that businesses need people to flourish. They also recognize that those people must be out and about, adding life to the neighbourhood, not concentrated in towers directly above transit so that there is no need to get out into the community. Finally, and most importantly, they realize that people want ground orientation - they may think they like to live in a box 30 stories above the city with a view, but, as you say, studies show that this is the least sustainable or desirable residential typology - AND THERE ARE BETTER WAYS TO ACHIEVE THIS!

The question is, how does one get from the single family neighbourhoods of Vancouver that once were sustainable to the Europeon model? Those cities have the luxury of centuries of growth... transit going through many stages...streetcars to busses to trollies to subways to combinations of all of the above...housing going from low density to mid to higher...Vancouver wants to somehow jump from where we are mostly at to where we need to get to, and most occupants of such neighbourhoods are not ready for such change - they do not even want 4-storey buildings on their streets.

So, I am hoping that the answer lies in discourse like this, maybe in the people on a team like "team", or maybe by getting people with like ideas to come together. I know that neighbourhoods like Kitsilano, Mount Pleasant and others can all be very livable with housing designed in a way that adheres to established livable principles. One thing I do know is that the answer is not Brentwood or Oakridge or even Cambie St (although Cambie is a step closer).

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